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Originally Posted by 1/4atatime
Ok now the Z looks fire in this color. The spoiler on the rear really ties it together. However honest opinion I don't think I'd buy one. The reason is simple I can almost guarantee I will be able to make one on my existing 370z much cheaper than I can buy one. The chassis is the same basically so if I wanted I should be able to take the body panels off the 400z and put them on the 370z (or someone will make a body kit) I can already drop a vr30 in the 370z for cheap (those motors are not expensive) and I enjoy the physical guages more than the digital ones in the interior. Add in the cost increase we will see and I bet I could do it a good bit cheaper than buying a new one and selling my old one.
Edit: So taking the Maxima price increase it got for 2009 to 2021 model it's a 7k increase for the base model. I expect the same or more for the Z which in my opinion isn't going to fly with consumers.
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Originally Posted by 1/4atatime
I know I've read tons of comments on other sites of people saying they won't spend 40k+ on a low-mid trim level Nissan. I don't think it's so much the price to performance that's the problem but rather peoples perceptions of spending 40k on a Nissan. Nissan really damaged they reputation when they had issues with their transmission, started basically signing payment plans to anyone who walked through the door, and started trying to cheap out on their cars. I know lots of people that used to buy Nissan cars but won't touch them with a 10ft poll anymore everyone says they felt cheap to them. I really like my 370Z but lets be real here the 370z didn't sell that many especially compared to the 350z. And not even enough to have Nissan consider refreshing it for a decade. Those sales numbers for the 370z especially the last few years are no where near enough to make Nissan consider selling another one if this one sells the same. And no one can say sports cars can't sell in large amount just look at the C8 it's selling faster than any other car in the lot. Heck the Supra which everyone claims doesn't sell well outsold the 370z 3:1
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Originally Posted by 1/4atatime
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Man 1/4, you seem really conflicted here! 1st you are gonna just do a panel swap (good luck with rear end and 1/4's). Then lament the "quality issues" of Nissan. But, obviously you do like this car enough to pay attention to chip shortages! (BTW, please don't think I am picking on you, I can tell you actually secretly like the car)
I predict the 300Z Twin Turbo (400Z) will sell more than the 370Z. I've been a Z guy for a long time, and I have tolerated Nissan QC issues for a LONG time also! I've owned my Titan forever and love it, have had Z31, Z32, S12 V6's, Maximas, QX4, Q60, etc. I quickly dismissed the 350Z as too "plasticky" with way too much Renault vibes going on, and I also considered the 370Z as somewhat ugly....and I was also resenting that Nissan wasn't building Twin Turbos anymore.
Well, here we are. I am DEFINITELY buying a 300Z Twin Turbo.
There isn't anything wrong with the Z34 chassis (to me, IMO). It was ugly and un-boosted, now it is way less ugly, Twin-Turbo'ed and called Z35 (probably).
I feel the price will be OK. The new TLX-S (another car I am mulling...my other Japanese car love was the Vigor and Legends) is going to be "low-50's" according to Acura. True, it'll be AWD and 4 door, it's more of a Q50 AWD 300HP killer. The upcoming IS500 (another car I really really like....reliability!) will be in the 60's supposedly.
If a 400+HP 300Z Twin Turbo is what we get at low $40's, for a low-volume, twin turbo, 2 seater heritage car, I am totally happy. I feel it is a fair price.
The power, if 400HP+, will be outstanding, the interior is WAYYYYY better than the 370Z (I do agree with you on the instrument cluster, I too would prefer real gauges over LCD) and the car is really very basic for a 2022 vehicle. It still has a hand brake, even with the auto. I think even the CTR has an EPB.
Nissan has made GREAT improvements in the interior quality lately, now that Ghosn is gone I think the cheapness at Nissan is gone too.
I will do whatever it takes to get one of these cars without ADM.