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Old 01-07-2021, 10:48 AM   #1258 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Ghostvette View Post
Kansas & Missouri had protests at their respective Capitols by Trump supporters. They were quiet and well-behaved according to LE present.

What I'm more concerned about is what happens after January 20. The media was calling the events yesterday an 'insurrection', but called the summer events 'a peaceful protest'. Every media outlet that I listened to said the exact same thing, blaming it on Trump supporters. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Has anyone ever heard of the term 'agent provocateur'? They are people inserted into a crowd of an opponent's supporters with the sole function to create an environment for mayhem and mischief to occur, thereby enabling the elites to label ALL of the opponent's supporters as troublemakers and rounding them up.

Now, I'm not saying this is what happened, but... given what I know about history and having studied Von Clausewitz and Sun Tzu, it bears considering. What better way to demonize a part of the population that disagrees with you? You call them 'bitter clingers, a basket of deplorables' and then blame them for attacking the Capital (shades of 1930s Germany when the SA burned the Reichstag and Hitler blamed the Communists).

I'm tired of it all. America was founded as a place where we could be free of the petty ******** happening in Europe in the 18th Century. Everyone was welcome to come and find their piece of freedom. Somewhere along the way, we got lost. We got stupid and it's gone downhill ever since. I believe Benjamin Franklin once said when queried about what they had created, "A Republic, if you can keep it." Can we save our Republic? Maybe. How? I have no idea, and that thought makes me profoundly sad.
I agree with just about all of your conclusions, but regarding your first point, these are not just agent provacateurs. Some of the persons visible in the riot videos have long and public histories of being radicals and QAnon followers. If they're provacateurs we're talking deep undercover and planning for an unknown event months in advance, and an extraordinarily large group of people willing to do it.

The problem with conspiracy theories is they rely upon an often unsustainable level of complexity to support them, and it's not needed. Let's be blunt - a lot of people (on every side - it's not just 2) have a lot of reasons to be unhappy with our both our current government and with the government incoming. If I were a Trump supporter who believed my leader had been denied the election due to corruption, and my leader called upon me to march to take things back, I would probably do it. These people did.
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