Originally Posted by madwi

Theres a phone in there just in case someone wakes up that aint actually dead.

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

So, to piggyback on this topic, apparently there are hfc out there that can meet carb/epa emissions like GESi 400 cel hfc, but I suppose the cost to get carb approval makes it impossible for any smaller company and even the one with deep pockets seem reluctant as well. Carb also doesn’t make it easy to get approval when you say remove factory cats etc, they don’t even want to hear you out it seems. Getting carb on a filter on a stick is expensive but doable and even then most companies can’t pass even that mod thru carb board.

Eventually we’ll probably see more carb approved stuff, but it will raise the cost to cover companies r&d costs, carb certification.

This makes things harder for the working and middle class car folks. Rich people aren’t affected by this, their gt3s and Ferraris, lambos, etc are fast as hell stock and emissions legal. No way for the regular joe to have access legallly to fast cars anymore/choices are more limited. I hope we can all learn to love zl1s and vettes.

If normal folks truly would be treated as well as big corporations, then we should be able to buy a form of carbon tax credits so we could mod our cars legally.

Something along the lines of a $100-200 per cat annual fee that you pay with your registration so that you get a sticker and now you can run hfcs and turbos etc without fear and the aftermarket could keep selling cool stuff. The annual fees could go to your state’s environmental protection/repair funds, that would help with combatting sea level rise here in south Florida as well as Everglades restoration. It’s a win win and the % of gear heads modding vehicles is a miniscule polllution issue compared to cow farts, big rigs, and power plants.