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Originally Posted by ZCanadian
Just going to dump this here, for people who are stuck with their heads up their own backsides, living in the 80’s, believe anecdotal results are significant to anyone else, or just cannot get over the fact that the newer Korean cars are world class...
https://www.thecarconnection.com/new...quality-survey
Korean Brands Top First 3 Places in JD Power Quality Survey |
Building on this link... I'm bout to get long winded. Sorry. And if any of yall get annoyed. IDGAF
I'm just gonna say this... in most cases. Sub premium brands have interchangeable reliability on their most popular brands if those brands are American Japanese or Korean. One brand might me slightly more reliable than the other... but it's almost always negligible
. All sub premium cars seems to have recalls and issues on an equal level cuz most parts come from a universal outsource on most subpremium cars. The technology varies only in how they choose to package similar tech.
The only cars that are honestly problematic are german cars and those are the cars that people will say things like "you have to pay to play"
What most of us are buying today isnt more reliability. It's what tune feels right to us. Most cars use the same technology and twist an upgrade here n there to make it look like we're buying something special. When in fact what were buying is who had better software engineers.
It isnt till you buy cars with dedicated platforms that it starts to make and you're buying a True sports car or true saloon.
Nissans FM platform was not a sports car platform. It was a utilitarian platform. A great one. But not a sports one. What makes the Z special is it's been shortened and reinforced. And they picked intelligent parts for its performance. Ie
Ray's wheels, akebono brakes, vlsd (not so great but better than nothing) and things like in house chassis bracing for purchase
Corvettes on the other hand are a single chassis where there aims 10% parts sharing at max. These cars are built in separate factories with it's own set of engineers.
Other cars like bmw and cadillac or Alfa make saloon chassis. That makes a huge. As where nissan will stretch an FM platform to make an SUV or Z.
So in this CAR game. Great is more subjective than it seems. Great has little to do with how things are made and more to do with how they make you feel!!
A GTR... it's a $80,000 markup for an engine transmission & computer and to have an individual assemble production engine pieces It's still an FM platform car your armada is built from.
Porsche... hasn't been a truly hand built car since the 80's. So again... you're paying for the engine transmission and higher fidelity software attached to some modern suspension parts. Most cars today dont even earn their price of admission when you really look st what they're giving us.
No matter what we feel.
Corvette
Cayman
Audi R8
Lotus evora (to a point)
MB AMG GTS
Alfa Romeo 4c
Are the only cars that are truly engineered as real sports cars with individual platforms that could be considered as true sports cars.
ALFA ROMEO
CADILLAC
MERCEDES/BMW
Genesis/Kia
In that order exactly... were the only cars to put out a serious world class saloon chassis that actually put down serious modern day performance.
And yeah... hate me for saying it. But the camaro is so great because GM was gracious enough to give it a cadillac chassis with a Corvette engine transmission and suspension. It's a top tier drive with questionable plastics. But it's a top tier drive. Better than mustang. Better than challenger. Not cuz I own one. But I carefully spent months test driving sports cars to see what had the best performance value in 2017. Not the best features. Not the best materials.
When I put a bunch of cars to the test. Three cars stood out in this order.
The alfa romeo giulia
The corvette
Camaro SS W/1LE suspension
Everything else felt very similar.
The Z stands on it's own as a great parts bin sports car. I cant knock it for nothing except Nissan didnt update it and it needs 100lbs taken off the nose. Thats it. I think it's amazing that chevy could make a camaro feel like a Z while still having more mass an be less front heavy with blisteringly faster acceleration. If going faster isnt your thing. Save the cash n buy a Z. Cuz in my head. Its damn near similar excitement. But the camaro is more adjustable to different types of track duty and no cooling issues. The Camaro as a track car is better. Even in SS without 1LE even over the nismo.
If you made it this far? My point is .. Very few cars are special today. But very few cars are bad. Pick your poison and enjoy it.
Unless you're buying
Mc Laren
Ferrari
Lamborghini
Bugatti
Koenigsegg
Etc...
Were just picking what we like.
And if were not buying affordable dedicated chassis for sport or saloon? We just bought a relatively good car. Whatever that means to you