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Old 03-11-2019, 02:56 AM   #24 (permalink)
cossie1600
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Track sessions are 20-30 minutes long. Even at 30 minutes at an average of 60mph, you really only need enough fuel for 30 miles. In the Z, you won't even get there because fuel starvation will kick in long before the end of the 30 minutes. I am sure you are good enough to figure that out since your math is so good.

Now you are moving from the Department of Energy loan program to the tax incentives where Nevada gave Tesla. You do know the difference between a tax incentive to build a plant vs. a loan right? Didn't Scott Walker give Foxconn $3m in incentives to build in Wisconsin too? I guess you are right, the plan is failing horribly, the gigafactory factory is just a mirage. The people in Sparks Nevada are giving away their home due to the failure. https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2018/...is/1619609002/

Maybe it is time for a Bombardier type bailout, can we get JT to help out?

The tax incentives were implemented to help speed up the adoption of zero emission vehicle (you can say less emission or whatever you want to call it).
You might not like it, but you pay for it sooner or later through the damages caused by the change in storm intensity. I worked as an actuary, storm intensity due to climate change was part of the rate adjustment we factored in.

You can say you are being taxed unfairly, but I can argue the same because I have to pay for gas/oil subsidy unwillingly either. How do we settle the score on that?

Unlike you, I have both EV and gas cars. I am not badmouthing gas cars because I hate them, I just think we are at a point where people seriously have to consider changing their habits if it is possible. If you are in a fortunate situation where you can make a choice to help, maybe sacrifice a little for others. I am not religious, but I believe in karma. Maybe karma is coming back to allow me to get a Ferrari this or next year and gave me a chance to put a deposit on a roadster.

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I believe in math. And common sense.

There are lots of other chargers around. Not all Superchargers (cost CDN$40K each), and most of them you have to pay for hydro at, unlike Tesla chargers. Tesla had to invest in the network because of the chicken-and-egg issue with EV’s, and range anxiety.

50 miles range? I get that on the track with my ICE. :-)

Yeah, no. You’re spouting Muskovite BS. The incentives for the Gigawatt battery factory will never be repaid and don’t have to be.

For now, for the <5% who operate EV’s there is little impact on the grid. Or on climate.

False. If you drive an EV in West Virginia, or Eastern Europe, or China, you drive a coal powered car. My V8 pickuo pollutes less.

I don’t understand your comment about taxes you paid. Because it make no sense. If yu buy a $100,000 car, you pay taxes on it. Congratulations. But if you buy a $100,000 Tesla in my province, until recently when a new government finally saw sense, you paid $93K for it and I paid the $7,000 difference (you are welcome, sort of). And you paid tax on $93,000 whereas I bought a pickup that I need for the farm and paid tax on the whole amount.

Over 33% of the dollars I pump into my fuel tank every week is tax, which pays for roads (and incentives to EV owners). Electricity, on the other hand, is taxed here at 7%. And electric power rates are heavily subsidized (by general government coffers = tax revenue) in order to avoid mass rebellion. So again, I am subsidizing electric vehicles.

Nuclear makes up more than 60% if our energy supply, water 25%, natural gas 10%, and “renewables” (solar, wind and biomass) about 5%. But wholesale prices of power are $0.045/KWh. Renewables are being paid between $0.75 and $0.90 to generate KWh. You want us to increase that generation capacity???

Sorry. Math and logic. Go pour another glass of that purple drink!
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