what bigaudiofan said... but I'm going to try anyway, I have bought all of the other goodies, and will try this soon. I'm going to document the whole exercise and see if I can make it work...... still hoping i can find a local pro that will work with me, or do it for me in a day. BigAudioFan is my paid consultant backup and I hope i dont need him (but will happily pay if I do) going to be a weird experience chopping up a perfectly good new car... probably nuts, but oh well