Jhill

The type r will be no joke of a car I'm sure but it's really a different category. I'm too old for a type r now days and won't put up with a manual in Bay Area traffic. I never understand the hate on the Vq engine, I love the note and I don't find it rough at all, I worked for Acura and compared to their v6 it is maybe only slightly rougher at upper rpm but also has a higher rpm (and more power) vs the 4 cycle, well Honda has some of the smoothest 4 cyl but I do not think the vq is rougher in anyway at all.

At the end of the day none of us are sponsored racers so drive what you enjoy and enjoy it for what it is. The z for me is happy in traffic, happy in coastal cruising and happy at the track it's just the right car for me. If I was 10 years younger the type r would be tempting (and I wouldn't have the money for it). With its inflated price and target buyer I'll be interested how many they sell.

Oh and it's that low end boost torque that is making it so fast. Small car hitting 295ft lbs at 2500 is no joke for turn exit, I think my z with bolts and tune is like 275ft lbs.. the vq is not really a torque monster they more like to rev with their overbored engine designe and I think they were around a 1.5 rod ratio.