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Jordo! · 07-12-2017, 12:42 PM

I think you are taking me too literally. I am opposed to overly adjustable parts where the end-user cannot easily determine acceptable (let alone ideal) settings, and for which there is no clear working model to use as a guideline. Informed, not blind, "copying" is actually pretty useful in a pinch. I had already stated that this would serve as a starting point from which further adjustment could be made, but often little further changes are needed if the parts, settings, and motor, etc. are all approximately equal, and instead it becomes a problem of consistency across measurement tools as much as anything.

Maybe I should just make this audacious claim: For a typical DD, a set of non or only lightly adjustable set of dampers and a set of (probably, progressively wound) springs with similar rates that just lower the car a wee bit will suffice. There are numerous auto-xers on here who do not have insanely complicated and unique set ups, and in the absence of massive end-user testing and data-logging, their results are as likely to be helpful in making decisions on one's set-up as any.

If that still doesn't satisfy: Advise everyone who can't re-valve their shocks as needed following track and/or dyno data logging to just stick with the best OEM set-up available, or to only modestly adjust from that (e.g., similar advertised spring rates, but sits a bit lower or something), because at least we know that was tested by people with the know-how and the facilities.

A track dedicated car is going to be tuned quite differently than a DD; HOWEVER, a dual purpose DD and moderately successful auto-x car is likely to have settings an enthusiast can use as a starting point.

If you disagree, then I can only assume you are an advocate against "casual enthusiasts" even bothering to modify OEM (suspension) set-ups unless they are experts (we'll leave the magic and mystery of engine tuning, tire selection, brakes, etc etc out of it).

That's certainly defensible.

Perhaps you could post a lengthy thread on what the upper and lower boundaries for settings are, with data, and offer recommendations. Some of us on here endeavor do that -- if imperfectly at times -- and it is always greatly appreciated.

Yes, of course, comparisons between set-ups, and explanations with details. Again, some of us take the time to do that. Maybe you are one of those sorts. It sure seems that way...

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Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	I think you are taking me too literally. I am opposed to overly adjustable parts where the end-user cannot easily determine acceptable (let alone ideal) settings, and for which there is no clear working model to use as a guideline. Informed, not blind, "copying" is actually pretty useful in a pinch. I had already stated that this would serve as a starting point from which further adjustment could be made, but often little further changes are needed if the parts, settings, and motor, etc. are all approximately equal, and instead it becomes a problem of consistency across measurement tools as much as anything. Maybe I should just make this audacious claim: For a typical DD, a set of non or only lightly adjustable set of dampers and a set of (probably, progressively wound) springs with similar rates that just lower the car a wee bit will suffice. There are numerous auto-xers on here who do not have insanely complicated and unique set ups, and in the absence of massive end-user testing and data-logging, their results are as likely to be helpful in making decisions on one's set-up as any. If that still doesn't satisfy: Advise everyone who can't re-valve their shocks as needed following track and/or dyno data logging to just stick with the best OEM set-up available, or to only modestly adjust from that (e.g., similar advertised spring rates, but sits a bit lower or something), because at least we know that was tested by people with the know-how and the facilities. A track dedicated car is going to be tuned quite differently than a DD; HOWEVER, a dual purpose DD and moderately successful auto-x car is likely to have settings an enthusiast can use as a starting point. If you disagree, then I can only assume you are an advocate against "casual enthusiasts" even bothering to modify OEM (suspension) set-ups unless they are experts (we'll leave the magic and mystery of engine tuning, tire selection, brakes, etc etc out of it). That's certainly defensible. Perhaps you could post a lengthy thread on what the upper and lower boundaries for settings are, with data, and offer recommendations. Some of us on here endeavor do that -- if imperfectly at times -- and it is always greatly appreciated. Yes, of course, comparisons between set-ups, and explanations with details. Again, some of us take the time to do that. Maybe you are one of those sorts. It sure seems that way... __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 07-12-2017 at 12:54 PM.