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Originally Posted by Nithmo
C6 sales were down at the end of their production run... As car sales always are down at the end of their life cycle. They still sold plenty C6s overall, giving them plenty of reason to build a follow up. They certainly didn't have to make it as good as it is- that's where I can see eye to eye with your assertion of the GM higher ups being true car guys. Personally, I've seen plenty of late model C6s.
That being said, Ghosn isn't the worst thing... You make it sound like the GTR is a green mobile, but in reality, it was anything but. Expensive? Yes. But it was built to compete, and compete it does.
Yes, besides that, they have little to offer as far as sporty vehicles go. Personally, I like the Juke Nismo RS. Decent power for a little commuter car, and one you can play around with for sure. The Z... Well, there's no denying the Z is being dragged out, but again, at least there are now rumours of the Z35 concept showing up soon.
You guys complain about Nissan losing its sportiness, but it's not Nissans fault. They are in the business of making money, not stirring people's souls. Nissan builds what the market demands, and just because there are 200 guys on here that want something ultra sporty, does not equate to the millions who don't care about such a car. Face it, it's not the early 90s anymore, when sporty offerings like the 180sx sold like hot cakes. Coupes are a tough sell these days and more and more people want CUVs, for the dumbest reasons.
Toyota has gone bland for the last 20 years... And they're making a killing doing so. Honda and Acura are the same... Acura is releasing an "A-Spec" version of the TLX which will have little more than nicer wheels and bumpers. No engine changes at all. Nissan is following suit. Hell, Mazda is no different. I can't speak for all miatas, but the NC Miata had a parts bin engine in it. Nothing special whatsoever.
It's a big risk for Nissan to put up the cash to develop a highly potent car, after 370z sales were garbage. There's very little incentive for them to do so. Yes, they build cookie cutter, bland as hell cars these days... But that's what people seemingly want. So by the end of it all, we should be blasting our friends and family for not buying more Zs. We are the ones to blame. Or rather, the people not buying are the ones to blame.
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So n essence you're saying. You're speaking for the masses and I'm speaking for 200 forum members.... basically.... smh
I never mentioned the GTR. But the GTR was relatively unchanged for 7 years. It was just tweaked. Considering it's a relatively production car for 100k based mainly on engine and tranny. The GTR is good profit for Nissan.
Let's not forget, the Z has been an infiniti parts bin car for 14 years. I don't really see how R&D has been so costly. The vq was in every infiniti for years until recently. Even the key fobs are identical within the brand.
I don't see any cars that Nissan builds that run on an independent platform like a corvette would. A corvette is NOT parts bin. A Z is if we're going to be realistic in our comparison..
I don't see how a parts bin sports car with a couple of ecu innovations can be such a drain on the Nissan brand?
A Z is one car for a niche segment.
Nissan has versa, sentra Altima maxima rogue Titan NV Leaf Juke and other vehicles where their profit margin is huge. If sports cars were money makers we'd have a bunch of them for sale. Since sports cars are niche, they shouldn't be built for the A TYPICAL. broker who wants to be a poser. U have BMW Porsche Mercedes for that. The Z needs to be built for those 200 drivers you threw to the side and the unspoken minority. That's why sports cars are special.
We are the representatives or ambassadors to the brand at the track, car show , events and on the strip. Sports car buyers sell the brand. People see our cars and walk into dealerships.
Then you have a car like the Juke for $24k with a Z shaped steering wheel Z type accents and people will buy that car as the first stepping stone to getting a Z. That's the long term goal of a car company. Getting the client to start small and trade up to the flagship or halo. The Z sells 2 and 3 cars before it is finally bought in almost half the purchases, if not more? Most people who bought Z's owned a Nissan product at one point. Hence the bread and butter effect.
In the end.... opinions are like azzholes.
I'm passionate about sports cars. In the end I know my money will go to the purest driving experience. 6 years ago. When I made that decision. I chose a Z. I'll be really sad if I can't get another gen of Z cuz they ruined it.