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Originally Posted by triso07
3100lbs is unreasonable? The current Z weighs 3300lbs. The Juke weighs 3100lbs with AWD and a CUV bodystyle. 3100lbs does not seem an unreasonable ask if you get a stripper car.
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The Juke actually tops out in AWD form in the 3220lb area. Keep in mind that's with an engine half the size of the motor in the Z. Please also keep in mind that the 3000lb version of the Juke is FWD, and doesn’t have any of the supporting hardware (and extra weight) that comes with facilitating a RWD layout.
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Better sound proofing = luxury car? I didn't say it has to be a Mercedes. Quell some of the creaks, rattles, wind noise, tire roar. They just did this recently with the GTR.
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It also added weight. The 2017 GT-R in its lightest trim is 50lbs or so heavier than the outgoing 2016 in its lightest trim. That's net of the benefit of the titanium exhaust system equipped standard in the 2017. Adding soundproofing adds weight, period.
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Nothing is wrong with the current Z's handling, nor did I ever say there was. That doesn't mean you don't look to improve. Each generation Camaro has been increasing their handling capabilities, just look at the 1LE. You don't just leave things as they are because they're good ... you evolve. It's a selling point.
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Agree... but the Camaro also got slightly more expensive while working on a heavily revised SHARED Alpha platform. The engines themselves, however, were not significantly reworked, except for the performance models such as the ZL1.
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Two transmission choices is a problem? They have DCTs in their lineup, use one in the Z and retain a manual for purists. It's an option. People would be over the moon if they offered a DCT in the Z.
7 speed because highway cruise gear. Not necessary but again, they need to stay competitive and 7 is quickly becoming the new 6. You'd be happy if the new Z even has a manual? You expect too little.
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The DCTs in Nissan's lineup? Which ones are those? Don't include the GT-R (since the GT-Rs GR6 transmission just won't port over to any other platform Nissan builds). Oh you mean Infiniti? The DCTs that Mercedes builds and provides that are mated to the 2.0L turbo motors also built and provided by Mercedes? Those are supposed to magically mate to some 450hp twin turbo V6 in the sky that Nissan is holding out on for the next gen Z? And handle the torque output? And be lighter than the trans assemblies in the current 370Z?
I’m not even going to talk about the benefits of having extra gears so that the ratios are spread seven ways instead of six for acceleration purposes and staying in the power curve on a road course. Highway cruise gear. For Priuses.
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They are selling base Vettes for 49k. A Nismo Z comparably equipped is like 46k new and it offers no where near the performance of a Vette. Honestly it doesn't even compete with the Camaro 1LE. Admittedly they're different cars, but people looking to pick up the Z because it's a sporty looking car that has good performance per dollar are going elsewhere because there are better options on the market.
I did not see a single valid reason why what I listed is inconceivable in a modern sports coupe in today's competitive market.
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You mean you can't buy a 370Z for less than MSRP, but you can get $6k off a Vette? You're chipping around reality quite a bit to try and make a case.
If you build what you listed, IT WILL NOT BE COMPETITIVELY PRICED FOR THE MARKET IN WHICH IT COMPETES. That's the whole point of this thread! Should they build it, and it puts up Cayman or Vette numbers, it will be priced accordingly, and subsequently pushed upmarket. Even then, while you may have great value for dollar, you have the problem of obtaining conquest buyers in a VERY TOUGH buyer loyalty area occupied by Chevy and Porsche.
Most buyers still in this market now are leaving the Z because they want an UPGRADE from what they have owned since 2009 and they're willing to spend more for various reasons (increased buying power, etc). The problem is NISSAN DOESN'T OFFER ANYTHING BETWEEN $40k and $100k. That's a hell of a gap. In 2009, when GT-Rs were $75k, we wouldn't have this problem - the Z guys would be after GT-Rs right now. But now we do, and that space is occupied by the Vette and the Cayman, among others like BMW with the M3/4 and Cadillac with the V cars. The Z has to be a hell of a car to compete there, and honestly, for the Infiniti brand to survive, that's a space it needs to occupy instead of Nissan. But Infiniti isn't done with its identity crisis yet.
What you have said multiple times in this thread is not at all impossible from an engineering standpoint. It's borderline impossible from a BUSINESS standpoint in the context of NISSAN'S BUSINESS. Unfortunately, Nissan is a business and not a charity. Be prepared to spend $60k if they build anything competitive and don't give a **** about the Infiniti brand when they build it. That is the reality of the situation, and that reality only exists if Nissan chooses to use the Z as a deviation from its current business model and vision for the future of that model.