Originally Posted by Leroydsouza

OK ill explain things to you, you clearly havent thought of. You probably are high, If you read what i wrote You would clearly understand i am not talking about you fighting that ticket because you are so much of a miser.
Firstly unwinnable ? Who said that ? I dont need to win or lose fines, No thank you. I accept my speeding and all fines when i am in the wrong.

Wasn't even describing you with that statement. Read it again. I was referring to kuru, who DID say that. Infact, his whole argument lay in the idea that judges won't take your case seriously. As far as accepting your fines, that's all well and good for some rich son of an oil shaw who doesn't even make his own money. Oh wait, am I generalizing here? But I guess if we're going to make stupid generalizations about everyone, turnabout is fair play.

Ill paint you a scenario, Try to keep up.
You were speeding, You get caught, You fight it and you get away with it.
Go on...
Another person sees you as an example and carries this on. Now everyone is doing it because you can fight it. Merica.
Ok....
Speed limit here is considerably higher than America. However i feel that this speed limit is not justified and it should be higher.
Still onboard....
We are humans, We are just not satisfied.
I guess I can agree with this...
I dont really have any dog in this fight because we dont exactly fight fines.
Ok, what are you trying to say here?
Spend time running around for a few measly bucks because you feel that the fine is not justified according to you and your studies.
*Insert seal clubbing rich father joke here*

You really want to change those speed limits ? Instead of acting like a child and being a rebel about it, How about you gather a few people who think like you and like a civil human approach this as a mass issue.
No you wont, You would rather get a speeding ticket, waste your time running around and be glad you won a pathetic little case . You think your few hundred dollars is going to hurt the government ? You are nothing but a rebel. I admit to being a rebel, I am probably even addicted to breaking rules, But i dont sit and whine about it saying its unfair for me to be accused for this because i read it in a study somewhere.
Soo.... your problem with me is that you perceive me as whiny. I guess so? I mean if you consider anyone who tries to make a point with arguments and facts as a whiner I suppose you're right. It's not like my claims are as baseless as yours so I don't see how you can get away with whining online and yet have the gall to to accuse someone else of the exact same thing. If only your brains were as big as your bollocks you might see the irony of this situation.

As far as calling me a rebel is concerned... I don't know if that is supposed to be a compliment or an insult. Sometimes you use it in the context of an insult ("you're nothing but a rebel") and then you back pedal and say you're a rebel as well. And then your main complaint is that I'm a whiner. Listen, buddy, get your argument straight. At this point it sounds like YOU don't even know what you're angry about. And that just makes me laugh.

Americans claim 'Freedom' everywhere they go.. How is it that you have not managed to change the speed limits ? Probably because instead of doing something about it, You sit and fight those shitty tickets and consider it a victory that you got away without paying for it

So here we get into the very difficult notion of international politics. I'm assuming you're from the UAE. Now if we go off everything the american media tells me about the UAE, it's 99% **** hole with a 1% rich population of oil magnates, corrupt politicians, and overall basic b!tches who are crying about the lowered cost of crude. I don't know what they say about Americans over there but I'm sure none of its good, so let me enlighten you - the politicians here are about as corrupt as over there but in a slightly different way. Let's not get into specifics; the bottom line is that it's very hard to change policy because precedent is a huge factor in law making in the US. It's not as simple as getting "like minded" individuals to petition - their voices will never be heard. What the government will hear is the sound of money flowing from their pockets.

Now you think that a few people fighting and winning their tickets doesn't make a difference. What about hundreds? What about thousands? Each of those tickets costs money to write, and money to prosecute. If we have thousands in each city fighting their tickets, or just going to court, the system will lock up, the city will lose money. And THAT will actually facilitate change. I'm not saying it's a perfect plan, but it's better than standing outside city hall with a cardboard sign - THAT would be sitting and whining.

I dont have anything against you, Or well americans, But that concept of taking everything to court even though you know full well that you were doing 60 in a 55 road is just pathetic.
There are a lot of people sueing each other in the US, I'll grant you that. However, traffic court is a bit different from that. This isn't suing anyone - this is arguing your case to a judge of a wrongful accusation. If you read anything that I posted before these little verbal skirmishes broke out, you would know what I'm talking about. In case you're too lazy to have your servant hit the back button, here it is in short:

CVC22350 has nothing to do with the speed limit.

Probably same concept used by people who commit serious crimes and they walk.
You mean like gang rape little girls? I hear that's rather common in the UAE... oh wait, generalizing again. We call your argument a slippery slope argument. It doesn't hold any water, but it makes people afraid. They used that for ages to argue against gay marriage. The argument went like this:

If we allow two men to get married what's next? Can a man marry his goat or dog or pig?

Your argument makes just about as much sense (which is to say, ZERO).

Grow up and accept your mistakes
Or if you really want to enforce change, Do it like an adult, Not by getting a ticket and running to fight it.
One, going to court and arguing a case, that's what adults do. Bending over and sucking **** by paying the fine outright - just ask a priest what a boy does.

Also, you seem to be under the impression that I go out of my way to get tickets. In no way is that the case. I don't try to get tickets. I haven't gotten a ticket in almost a 6 years now (not since college, which is why I'm helping the college students fight tickets). Because a couple hundred dollars to a college student is a big deal. Higher education isn't paid for by the government like it is in many other countries. $300 is the difference between eating and starving here. Students already go into crushing debt to get an education they don't know will pan out. So shove your self righteous rich prick attitude of "just a few hundred dollars" up your arse. I'm sure if it will fit your head, it'll fit that too.

I am done with you, Because I know the kind of person you are, You are basically just a rebel like me, Fortunately for me, I just dont whine at **** i have done.
You have no idea what kind of person I am. Just like I don't know who you are. Don't pretend like you do. Makes you sound whiny. =P

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