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Old 11-28-2014, 12:58 AM   #452 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by synolimit View Post
Shawn wants to offer gold reflective tape on the lower and upper, anyone think it's worth it?
It couldn't hurt and it's probably cheaper than adding a heat dispersant coating. It could certainly be added as an option for a few extra bucks.

When I got involved in a team effort put towards the development of a high output, bang-for-the-buck LTH for the 7th gen Celica, developed in collaboration with a talented tuner, a few very willing and patient test subjects, and the fine folks at PPE, the primary goal was to achieve max power and quality at the most reasonable price point for everyone to be happy.

No header like this had existed for the 7th gen Celica 2ZZ motor before this project. The few headers even available were mostly untested very pricey imports... no one wanted to tackle it, and those who did wanted to make something absurdly expensive, shiny, and lovely to show off -- because you can sell that at a premium price point whether or not it performs as hoped. Not acceptable.

So, I said, screw that -- lets all team up and try to make this happen and see where it goes. And, remarkably, we did it -- suddenly everyone went from having no good option to a seriously great one, and one that was also pretty darn inexpensive for the gains.

From there a consumer could request various insulation coatings (although you'd want one designed for dispersing rather than retaining heat, of course), SS rather than cast iron, different high end merge collectors vs a more standard one, etc.

These were all options to be added on for a little extra performance if you wanted, but the plain as-is header made solid, reliable power, verified on several dynos, at a very affordable price point.

FWIW, I say, try to incorporate that idea -- the bang-for-buck with a few options. This way the average Joe can afford it and be genuinely pleased with the results, the folks behind the scenes are happy with their return on the R&D, and there are optional upgrades for the hard core power junkies that have the extra coin and want to try and squeeze every last fraction of whp out of it.

If you can pull that off, everybody wins.

It's not easy -- there's theory, design, testing, tuning, re-testing, re-tuning, etc. -- but clearly you have the will and the know-how, and are open to collaborating with others/shops who can help make it happen.

And there's obviously interest. If you can do it, I'm sure it can be worked out so everybody is happy with the price and the results.

No harm in trying -- go for it!

P.S.
If you guys run it on a dynojet, I would be happy to make detailed graphs and offer some 3rd party objective commentary if you can send me the drf files. We can chat about it via PM if that's something that would help make this come together -- just let me know.
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