the Z is a different animal... I used to have a Cobb'd Evo X... for some reason I found myself getting crappier as a driver w/ that car... It just did all the work for you... Kinda turned me off on AWD cars w/ computers but I drove my buddys STi recently and its much more car and driver but not NEARLY as much as the Z. With the Z its just you - the gas pedal the tires and the steering wheel. It will obey you as long as you dont abuse it. And look wise - it grows on EVERYONE