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Old 09-29-2013, 08:26 AM   #83 (permalink)
phunk
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Originally Posted by 1slow370 View Post
Phunk, the pcv valves on the 370z function the same way all pcv valves on all naturally aspirated emissions controlled engines function. They are flow metering check valves. the reason they rattle and the spring inside them is so weak is because they are set up to work with the amount of vacuum the engine produces, so that at idle the valve is open but only flows a little bit of air, because the high vacuum actually lifts the piston inside the valve off the seat and up to the top of the valve where it partially closes the exit orifice of the valve. This allows the system to vent but does not introduce enough air to effect the idle to great extent. when the throttle is opened pressure rises to the point where the piston falls to about the halfway point of the valve allowing much more fumes to be vented since the engine will be able to burn them effectively. when the motor back fires or boost comes on(if F.I.) the valve shut to prevent reversion of fumes into the intake. this is where the catch can does the most work because during boost the valve is shut but often leaks allowing boost to go through the valve, combine this with blow-by past the rings and your going to building a lot of crankcase pressure that can't go anywhere with the factory setup because it is trapped between the intake pipe and the manifold. this leads to popped out dipsticks and reduced power from having a boosted crankcase pressure(not much honestly though). When switching to an external pcv intake filter now the crankcase pressure under boost can escape by going backwards through the system all over your engine bay, which is where the catch can comes in. some systems i've seen have valves or solenoids that under boost will vent the catch can to atmosphere and under vacuum allow the pcv system to function normally the below method will allow you to vent crankcase pressure, without contaminating the intake, or reverting fumes all up under your hood, and for an estimated parts cost of 5-25 dollars.

And my personal favorite pcv system is the exhaust venturii, no oil stain under the hood, no reversion out the filters from blow by on a boosted car, and i can still imagine myself mystically choking up al gore's air every time i drive. Oh and it's by FAR the cheapest if you can weld or have a buddy who can because it involves two small pieces of tube cut on an angle and roughly 4 ft of hose. (also drilled out factory valves), using seperate pcv filters and plugging the intake pipes and the manifold hoses will allow you to eliminate any source of unmetered air caused by the pcv as well
I am very familiar with how the PCV system functions. I do not experience any adverse side effects of excessive crankcase pressure even with FI because of the fresh air inlets that are used as vents when under boost. The vents are 1/2" ID and able to flow outward plenty, combined with the vacuum generated in the intake tubes from my turbos.

I already played with the PCV the other day to make sure I wasn't having any problems from my fresh air inlets pulling unmetered air. By closing the inlets, it blocked enough air to drop RPM about 50rpm until the idle control compensated after a moment, and only a couple tenths at most AF points difference until closed loop feedback compensated... So my unmetered PCV fresh air inlets are negligible as far as effecting my tune.

Otherwise... Stock PCV system (aside from fresh airs bypassing MAF) and tons of power and tons of mileage and no issues at all! Works perfect, just like my 350z has for going on 10 years!

Like I was saying, I don't fault anyone for wanting a catchcan.. But it really doesn't matter. It's not going to make my car any faster or any more reliable.
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