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Originally Posted by JARblue
So having multiple maps and TCS control is "half" of the tune? I don't think so... I don't know of any other potential features that aren't available at this time.
And I didn't say the suite was the same... I said my tune is the same (minus the multiple maps).
UpRev doesn't do VVEL, EcuTek does - it's just a matter of getting cars tuned and data out there. If someone told you a specific date, and that date comes around and there aren't any cars tuned with it even though the software is available, my guess is you still wouldn't be satisfied. But like I said, call EcuTek...
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Originally Posted by JARblue
Please read the posts first... I did not say ANYONE has messed with VVEL. However, it is ready for messing with. You can sit on the sidelines waiting for results or jump in and get them yourself.
I said the multiple maps feature, along with TCS control, is still in the works and not yet ready. Are you really waiting for these two features to get a tune? I doubt it.
It's not a waiting game from EcuTek. It's a waiting game from the Z community. Cars need to be tuned first... that's what needs to happen to prove "superiority". EcuTek releasing a few more features obviously isn't going to satisfy many people if the features aren't proven.
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You didn't say people who Do VVEL tuning, but you're quick to claim who doesn't.
Most of the people "sitting on the sidelines" are those who can't really afford to drop 600 on a tune, to have to drop another couple of hundred on another tune, or getting that tune fixed. There's nothing wrong with being cautious about the Tuning side of modding. That's the area I give the most respect to the tuners and let them work their magic. But I want to know it's the best one out there, as would anyone else, yourself included.
People aren't waiting for specific features to come out, they're waiting on the Claims that these features make someone superior to be qualified and quantified. UpRev has been out for the 370Z for going on 4 years, and several hundred Z's have been tuned on it. Both boosted and N/A. How many of those have gone wrong due to errors in the tuning software alone? So, UpRev have established a track record of safe, effective tunes. Good for them.
ECUTek is coming along and promoting their product (like any good business will do), claiming to be vastly superior to UpRev in every way. OK, cool. Show me how you've reinvented the wheel. You say I wouldn't be pleased even if they showed me their improvements, but you'd be wrong. If they can actually
DO everything they say they "will be able to in time" then awesome. I'm all for an ECUTek tune. I'd like to see the improved features as would anyone else, especially the boosted guys.
They gave you a good deal, so you support them. Good. You come on here and post your review, and for the small amount of modding you have done, you are pleased. Good. But, where are your dyno runs as well to show the specific gains, and how the ECUTek tune gave you those gains vs if you had gone elsewhere? I did not see them the last time I checked your thread...
Everyone knows with this platform you have to do a lot to pull every last HP out of this motor. So that is why it is being criticized so much, if you want to make big claims about superiority, then you had better expect people to go "
yeah, right". That's when you drop all of your research and testing, and proof that you've put in the time and effort and have in fact released a better product. Then everyone will be
and throwing their money at you.