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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370
Yeah, the Z doesn't need to copy Mustang, Corvette or any American cars like so many suggest. We don't need to copy, drive or feel like them behind the wheel. We just need to look in our own Z history and see what worked in the best Z's and combine it.
If people think the Z should beat stangs etc... I think people should plan on buying stangs etc in their future. 
Just remember this is a Z forum when you go on the other side... 
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The 240Z did a killer job of targeting the Mustang and Camaro...that path has worked well for Nissan and I expect they will continue.
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Originally Posted by The BlueMax
The VQ 3.7 has no displacement increase, they got the .2liter increase through a longer stroke. Picked up some top end horsepower along with the coarseness, but no troque increase which is a common pickup in V8s
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What do you mean with the bolded part?
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Originally Posted by Chuck33079
This is the problem in a nutshell. It needs to be better to compete at its current price point, but the improvements cost money. It's a fine line between improving the car and killing sales with the price. I'd hate for the Z to get killed off again because the market won't support a $45-50k Z. It'll never have Mustang/Camaro sales. It's much more of a niche product than the domestic pony cars.
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It may have become one, but it wasn't historically. Nissan estimated sales of 30K per year with the 370Z and targeted 45K. They certainly didn't build it to be a niche product, even if that is what is has become.
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Originally Posted by Nismodean
The price isn't the problem, the people wanted something to look good and sound good but not be really that good. Quality, people, costs money. Which is why the 370Z costs more than the 350Z. Bigger engine, better interior, more hp/tq, bigger brakes, better technology! You won't get that sh¡t for the same price from the last model. Try to be more realistic please! I mean come on... 35K for the best dollar/performance sports car is NOT bad. I'm about to go out and drive my 370Z and love it, you guys go ahead and stare in misery at yours.....
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Since when are Akebonos an upgrade from Brembos?
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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk
Remember that the price they sell it for directly results in the value of the yen. The yen was getting stronger against the dollar for the past few years. It wasn't until recently that it started dropping again. Building a car for X amount of yen, then selling it for X amount of dollars, they need to have a profit margin. Sure there is a few thousand in every vehicle, but it is not out of line with the profit margin of a car that is similarly equipped. Now if they are able to build the Z here in the states, they can reduce the cost for manufacture, but they still need to sell enough to justify that investment. Look at what Subaru and Mitsubishi gives for their sports cars. A turbo 4 banger, AWD and not much else, but it costs the same. Nissan isn't alone in this price conspiracy.
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A turbo AWD 4 banger from Subaru costs $24K, not almost $40k.
The additions to the top-tier Subaru and Mitsubishi are real cost-add items like Recaros seats. They may not have value add to everyone, but they affect the bottom-line and there are plenty willing to pay for them.