Originally Posted by wstar

I generally agree, but... 400 lbs for 80 hp isn't all that bad a deal. That's still 5:1 you're tacking on, which is well under the total ratio of any of the cars in question. In acceleration terms, they have more than enough power advantage to take on the weight. It's a little more borderline when you throw in handling effects from the increased weight, but *still*, they're basically competitive with us.

I think the Z's better, but I define that in terms of how good it feels driving the car. It's reactive, it holds the road well, its weight distribution and suspension geometry and whatever else goes into all that just *feels nice*. And because it's a little underpowered, it's not as twitchy at the limit either. Driving a Camaro at the limit is a whole lot more work and worry. Someday 5-10 years down the road of my track experiences, I might be a good enough driver that I *want* an overpowered, twitchy car because it's faster in my hands and I know how to handle it. Right now, no way. And most consumers on the road: no way either.