Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I'm hardly in general discusssions anymore. Just cuz all the shytboxes complaining like lil period havin' hoez. I've been mostly in the Forced induction and firearms thread areas. Other vehicles to post news and have minor discussions and crack a joke or two. Honestly, I hate talking about the Z here...

The second you say something positive about the Z here. 5 c0ckriders automatically bring up 5.0 BS and comparing it to the Z. This forum started with a shytload of elitists and dbags in 09. They disappeared then 2010,11 and half of 12 this place rocked except for the 5.0 cult. But now, so many things are changing here again for the worst. At least the elitist Dbags had passion for the Z.

Funny to see how much Car and Driver manipulates the minds of guys on here. Also, I'm no mechanic. But i am a true driver. Understanding the dynamics of driving. 75% choose shytbox mods and don't make the right improvemnts necessary for the Z.
I read people whining about the Z with a $5,000 modlist in the sig and no mod that addresses their issues... I call that fashion modding. Then they complain when they sense understeerin high speed turns, excessive brake fade, etc... These have simple susoension fixes that cost about $2,000-$5,000 and very few adjust for driving. They drop for looks. .

Everybody is working on intake exhaust and tune for .3 seconds. Guys, you can gain that tuning your suspension, getting better tires and suffer less of some of the performance issues you face from driving a front heavy Z. But i guess since you can only show off your mods on a lift??? Its not worth the added performance? Engine mods are always last. Because once your suspension is perfect? You can determine how much power you need to add for your car to feel perfect.

My point is, so many complaints but nobody wants to fix it. People think thet Car and Drivers Corporate reviews on an overrated muscle car is the solution to fixing a sports car that is dynamically more neutral in the corners and holds a more consistent speed in the corners. The stang slows down and jets out to make a complete turn. Yes it does it faster than the Z. But thats torque. The Z can hold a higher speed entering a turn and coming out even though it's overall slower in that turn. That said, A modded Z with about 450rwhp will be a force to be wreckoned with on a curvy track against a na stang with intake and exhaust pushing about the same hp. Yes its cheaper on the stang to make 450rwhp. But the stang will never be able to mimmick the neutrality of the Z, That said. Both cars are awesome cars. But you are paying for two different qualities of driving. In the end, the Z's quality of drive is more expensive in general to achieve than the stang. It takes a lot of engineering for a company to have a median car that handles like an exotic and still gets the quarter done in the low 13 and achieve 1g.

Understand that these cars just appeal to different types of drivers. If we were rich here. Z drivers would own a 911. If mustang owners were rich? They'd own a viper. 2 different but very capable cars.

So douche bags. Understand what you own. Learn Z history, understand Z engineering philosophy so you know why your z excels in one area and lacks in others. You'd be happier owners.

Love to the stang and all sports cars. Lets end the BS.