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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370
Slightly off topic but on topic
BRZ gets beat by Civic HFP??? 
Tooo many concessions are being made for this "Farveghnugen" BRZ. The greatest sports car in history got beat by a FWD civic. 
2013 Subaru BRZ vs. 2012 Honda Civic Si HFP - YouTube
So what does it beat on the track?
Kia Rio?
Hyundai accent?
Does it tie with elantra coupes?
Will it get defeated by the veloster turbo?
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Did you watch the video?
"The truth is, the Civic has way stickier tires, and if all things were equal the BRZ would be 2 or 3 seconds faster."
And before you say "but they are the tires it comes with!" -- well, not quite. The thing about the HFP package is that it comes with the wheels, the tire choice is entirely up to you and costs extra. Likewise, it isn't a cheap "package" either.
http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-si-coupe/hfp.aspx
Read the fine print:
Replacement tires required. Yokohama AVID W4S Ultra High Performance All-Season tires (215/40R18) are recommended but not included in the HFP package.
Also -- on Subaru's AWD system. It's actually a very basic system, way less advanced than most of 'em out there. But that's also why it is so good -- simplicity is good sometimes.