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Originally Posted by ZBro16
Didn't realize they made transmissions with actual gears. That's cool. Props to them. That means it could go either way - CVT or 7AT or 13AT. Given Nissan's recent track record of sticking a CVT in everything, it wouldn't surprise me if that's what ends up in this car, hence the argument. I don't care how advanced the CVT is - it makes for a dull, boring, unengaging, and uneventful driving experience. I have owned one and driven it, so I'm qualified to form that opinion. When you discount the shotty reliability record of the Jatco CVT unit in general, they're great if all you want in a car is a people mover. That's not what the Z is, and that's not what the Q60 should be, either.
On the topic of all this factually opinionated stuff, I'll inject this - Borg Warner makes the transmission in the GT-R. I consider that to be an "advanced" automatic transmission. What Jatco is doing with the 7AT is simply improving upon a formula that has existed for 60+ years. They did a good job. What they did not do is reinvent the automatic transmission for a sports car.
I'm looking at this Q60 turd for what it is - a boring, non-innovative, entry level luxury car that will not outsell a CTS Coupe, a BMW 4-series, or an Audi A5. When the sales numbers are published next year, I'll let you dwell on those facts.
I have been a Nissan enthusiast for a long time. I talked with the Senior Marketing Manager to the Maxima, 370Z, and GT-R programs yesterday on a live chat. His name is Carl Phillips. The guy was about as excited and enthusiastic about these cars as I am about buying a Toyota Prius for autocrossing. That's who is in charge of the future design and marketing for Nissan's flagship products and the Q60 and the inevitable future turds like it are what we can expect from the company who employs people like Carl Phillips to be in charge of these products.
At this rate, companies like Ford could release a fencepost with four wheels and an SVT badge and generate more interest than Nissan is able to do with an entire brand with actual cars. And no, don't throw the GT-R in my face as the exception to that rule. The GT-R further fuels my argument in that it is the shining, living example of what Nissan can do at its maximum potential, and they choose not to do anything above what is necessary for any of its vehicles that are made for regular people, i.e. those that can't afford GT-Rs.
You view that as being negative - I view that as being realistic.
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A dual clutch transmission is not an advanced automatic transmission. It's a Dual clutch transmission. I don't suck ford C@ck and I don't behind the GT-R to prove shyt. I talk about the factual goings on behind a company and not the rantified biases of one self loathing their vehicle.
There has never been a Z with a CVT and their wont be, There has never BEEN an infinti with a CVT either. Unless there's a passenger car for utlility I don't see that happening.
I've have had borth Altima 2.5 and 2.5 in CVT guise. 3.5 the Altima was too powerful to call it boring, even with a CVT. DRM simulation on the 3.5 also helped. BUT when we are talking 2.5? Yes, the altima was completely dul.
Reliability has improved and CVT transmissions have a separate 10year 120,000 mile warranty. The average car owner trades at 75,000 and 5 years. So that ends that. This CVT rant on the infiniti thread is stupid considering
CVT has NEVER been placed in an infiniti.
Now to infiniti. Those photos are shops and we still don't really know how they will look. Unfortunately they were posted online as the real deal but weren't.
As it stands right now. The infiniti G37 is considered a sportier and more engaging drive than the 3 series. The Current 3 series sedans for 2013 have degraded down to a mindless driving experience according to reviews and have been demolished by the competition. Cadillac ATS.
Infiniti has the redbull racing team tuning the infiniti. You may not like the design. But I will put money on the fact that the Q50 sedan will demolish the bimmer and the race for power will be between the ATS and Q50.
The Infiniti Q50 - Dynamic Evaluation - YouTube
If you don't like the Q50 or the unseen Q60? More power to you. But things you're bringing up have nothing to do with this car in its functionality. BYTHE WAYa Dual clutch on hand for the Q50 3.5 hybrid, NOT a CVT