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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch
If I was buying a car today all I can tell you is that I wouldn't be visiting a Nissan showroom. That isn't because they don't make good cars, it's because as of right now they are behind the competition.
What do you think is so innovative about Nissan? I'm curious. The GT-R? Because the Evo X is basically technologically identical. The Leaf? Because while I don't have the same hate everyone else does for electric cars, it isn't exactly a leap forward in technology (if it was you'd see more of them on the road).
Likewise, I don't give two ***** about a car being a true "sports car." I don't care. I don't care at all. And really, the reality is that anyone who trashes a car for the sole reason of "it isn't a TRUE sports car" is... well, the nicest thing I can say is silly.
All I care about is fun. What car offers me fun? If I walk into a Ford showroom I can find cars that I can afford that are fun.
If I walk into a Nissan showroom I can find fun, too. But I can't afford it or it is outdated.
Also -- I don't get this racing legacy talk. What does it matter? If we are comparing Nissan and Ford, then Ford likely even wins there.
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You just contradicted yourself in one post...
the z is probably the most fun of the batch of cars you're bangin on about. (Mustang,Camaro,) Minus the Evo, that fun factor is crazy.
If all you care about is fun, the Z is gonna be on top. The stang is a track god but feels numb and is kinda boring when you factor in, seat position, steering feel, cornering and the overall sense of engaging to drive. Power is the major factor of being a winner. And if someone brings up that weak azz track pack again I'm gonna
The Z is much more engaging. The Mustang is just winning on tracks. (Boss302 changes that but everyone svcks 5.0 c0ck for being something overall it's NOT). I'll give Ford props for the little computer accelerometer etc... Great track performance and an incredible powerful engine. But there are so many factors to the driving experience the Z can fill that Stang can't. And to deny this is fanboy...
Deep down inside what it really boils down to is that the mustang is the fastest on the block under $40k and some ego's are hurt they don't have the fastest car. But handling wise, quality and technology wise, the Mustang is still the inferior car. And remember, The Z compares in performance to a v6 and in price to a v8. They give you way more quality in structural design and the VQ 37 has tech advance firsts the 5.0 doesn't. The Z is the compromise car. There is NO Comparison. GEt OVER IT. NISSAN slated us an AFFORDABLE porsche fighter. Not a competitive mustang fighter. Can the mustang beat the cayman around the track? Most likely yes. AND??????????????????
You Make The Conscious Decision Of buying a 370Z to be an individual who appreciates UNIQUE performance atrributes or YOU BUY a mustang based on the muscle power wars and who has the biggest Car C0ck.(mustang, camaro or challenger) Thats's all there is and nothing more.
There are things to complain about the Z. But your post is contradictory to everything we're really discussing. a lot of what this post was about was the lack of tech innovation and OVERALL SPORTY entries from Nissan
Where is the Sentra SE-R?
What will happen to the altima coupe?
Why will the Z be a BRZ fighter instead of carrying the tradition of Cayman stopper?
Cars like the Focus St, upcoming Fiesta ST, the current mustang and the new focus show that they are injecting fun to their cars. Nissan, who was always the leader of injecting fun into cars (along with mazda) are slowing that down with current entries. At least it seems that way. That's the real Argument.
I agree, i wouldn't buy a Z right now if i was buying for strrictly performance. I'd buy a camaro !LE, because the suspension tuning on that car gives more feedback than our current Z
. Really? A camaro? lol YES a Camaro. The track pack GT? Ancient history. It's outdated. The Boss 302 is the stang leader. Hmmm? Can you affrd it? Probably not? Which brings you back to 37k for a SS1LE or a Z. for $39k. I'll take the 1LE. If the Z was $35k from the 1Le, i'd choose the Z. BUT I'm looking at it from behind the wheel.
There's so many ways to look at a car purchase. Problem we have here is when we cross reasons for buying. Don't say you're all about fun and bring up tech issues in the cockpit. That's highly contradictory.