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Originally Posted by Phimosis
I usually stay out of this thread because I have a CARB legal Stillen kit that I've been driving around trouble free for a couple of years and I know the GTM fans will be eager to bash me, but really, call it like it is. You're based in California. Your primary market is in California, yet you claim that only a few people want the CARB kit. Then you flip-flop and say your working hard on CARB approval. Then you flip-flop again and say that it's not your fault and that the state bureaucracy is to blame. Then you flip flop some more and say that only people in California need the CARB certification. Then you flip flop again saying that final testing is days away. And when I say "you" I mean all of the official statements made by all employees of GTM on this forum.
The truth is that Stillen had to go through the same hoops and got their approval a year and a half ago, when government employees were actually being furloughed. The truth is also that you need CARB approval in Washington too. Well, unless you want to do it shady style and find a shop that will break the law. You can find shops like that in California as well. Here's how the Washington law reads, according to the DMV website:
What is the Clean Car Law?
The Clean Car Law (RCW 46.16A.060) requires vehicles across Washington State to be certified to California emission standards. Starting with 2009 models, vehicles must meet these strict clean air standards to be registered, leased, rented, licensed, or sold for use anywhere in Washington.
Did you really not know that, or was that deliberate deceit? The answer was just a few key steokes away on Google. You say you're from Washington like you are an authority on their emissions laws, but you were completely incorrect.
Over the life of this thread I haven't seen any accountability or honesty on your part. Yes, Stillen overrated their horsepower rating between their press release
And their final CARB approved tune, bit they got it done, they didn't make any excuses and they didn't bash any forum members or edit their posts after taking heat for negative or inflammatory things they said. I personally laid heavy criticism on Stillen in their threads for falling short of what they advertised. But again, they didn't make excuses and they got it done.... 18 months ago.
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There is nothing deceitful about what I said. I stated some facts regarding what King and Snohomish counties in Washington state do in regards to emissions testing. Yes, facts. No where in that RCW did it state anything about requiring California Executive Order Numbers in order to install a part onto your car. Furthermore, WSP does not ask you to pop your hood to see if your car is modified. They might pop you for RCW 46.37.390 Section 3: modified exhaust, however...especially if you're rolling through Federal Way. lol
I think you are misinterpreting what that law is all about...not mention the fact that you didn't even read it. Here's an excerpt from the actual law:
RCW 46.16A.060: Registration
(2) The following motor vehicles are exempt from emission test requirements:
(a) Motor vehicles that are less than five years old or more than twenty-five years old;
(b) Motor vehicles that are a 2009 model year or newer;
There is no provision that pertains to any kind of smog program like the one implemented in the State of California. That law only pertains to new vehicles sold in the state of Washington. In other words, rather than a car needing to meet Federal Emissions standards, new cars sold in Washington state need to have California Emissions standards. That's not the same thing as CARB and does not mean that aftermarket parts have to have a California Executive Order number to be installed on a Washington state car. While it is true that a lot of states are pushing automotive manufacturers to build and sell cars with lower emissions, that does not mean that they are implementing multi-billion dollar smog programs like the state of California has and their laws are no where near as draconian either. The California laws are expensive to enforce and the other 49 states aren't throwing away tax payer dollars like that.
You have to understand that people modifying their cars are a very small percentage of your driving population and if you go after the big fish (the major automotive manufactures), you'll capture the vast majority of the benefits of having more strict emissions standards. Doing what the State of California does with it's set of laws is on the diminishing side of the law of diminishing returns and it takes a lot more effort on the state's part to squeeze out every last bit of compliance to its emissions standards. I hope that makes sense and you get what I'm trying to say, because my point is that most of the other states don't go to the same extreme...Washington state included.
That all said, I don't have an ETA on when we'll have CARB approval on our Supercharger Kit. As Sam said, there have been some delays for that.