^I agree w/ Fuz...but you know what? The more input your thread gets, the more likely you won't buy one. Why? Because everyone is gonna give lower, and lower, and lower numbers. And you know what that does? It plants a seed in your head leading you to think that it can be bought at such low-balled #'s.
No more input from me on these kind of threads because we'll all have these "experts" come out of the woodwork claiming to know the esoteric, inside secrets on how to buy a new car 1000's below invoice yada, yada yada. People who know how a new car dealership operates, and how it "makes a killing on you even if can buy beaneath their holdback."
Good luck bro. And btw, don't you know you can buy it $1,000's below invoice?