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Originally Posted by vo2max99
The point I've been making is that it's ridiculous to ASSUME one way or the other that the BRZ / FR-S are somehow "over priced" and or "under powered" based one what is known.
If most reviews said the BRZ / FR-S were a POS / Too slow, etc there might be a bases for that sort of opinion. However, seeing as this is NOT the case there's no bases to ASSUME the car is somehow not worth the price.
It's dumb enough to judge a car having never driven it but to dis it when the reviews have been so overwhelmingly positive it makes absolutely no sense. It's pretty simple stuff.
When a car "s" and deemed to be phenomenal by most accounts it just doesn't make much sense to conclude (without driving nonetheless) that the car "s" will somehow / someway not be worth it / over priced, etc.
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If you have been making you point this whole time, then why do you keep insisting on posting it? Either you are not making your point (hence the need to continue spamming it), you do not feel like your point is getting across (which contradicts what you are saying in the above quote), or you are making your point and cannot accept that others have differing viewpoints.
You assume I am missing your point. I am not. You said it very plainly here:
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Originally Posted by vo2max99
The point is many folks put entirely too much emphasis on the #'s without understanding the values of a light weight, rear-wheel drive, modest power, and well-tuned chassis.
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If I did not understand your point, I would not know what to look for when scrolling back through your posts... Ultimately people pick and chose which cars to look at or buy based on some given criteria. That criteria is different for each person. Take myself as an example. I like the BRZ alot. However, for the pricepoint I do feel it is underpowered. I am not some clueless fanboi. If I were, I would despise the BRZ on principle because I come from a 240sx and are a huge fan of the Silvia line. That said, if a new Silvia were on the showroom floor right now, today, with 200hp and 2800lbs at $27k, I would be equally upset with Nissan. If it were sporting 250hp-260hp on turbocharged motor at that price point, I would be all over that car. Same with the BRZ. But it doesn't. That is my opinion on the matter. That is how I view the car. Doesn't make the BRZ a bad vehicle, it simply does not match what I want out a vehicle at that price point.
My point, that you
CHOOSING TO IGNORE is:
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Originally Posted by Spikuh
People have different opinions than you.
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Accept it and move on instead rehashing your same point and throwing in inflamatory language to make yourself feel better and choosing certain phrasing to make yourself feel superior like all of this:
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Originally Posted by vo2max99
Yeah judging a cars worth based on its test track #'s / HP doesn't make much sense unless you buy daily drivers to race them for a living.
If the BRZ / FR-S are as good as the vast majority have reported there's no good reason to think 27-29k would somehow make them over priced.
I personally think it makes a lot more sense to base a cars worth on how it feels from behind the wheel vs. the #'s it happens to produce.
Plenty of cars produce far better #'s than the MX-5 for instance but few are nearly as fun to drive. This is probably going to be the case with the BRZ / FR-S as well.
Bottom line is that to conclude that the BRZ / FR-S are somehow too little car for the money isn't even coherent.
Before I were to decide one way or another I would have to personally drive the car myself. I'm not talking just around the block and back but really drive it.
I would never check off a car and or deem it "too expensive" simply because it's test track #'s weren't as good as some other's because test track #'s don't even begin to scratch the surface when it comes to evaluating how good a sports car is.
Oh as far as re sale value the BRZ / FR-S are expected to hold they value very well so that's another plus. I'm probably going to get a new MX-5 by around August though because nothing beats a convertible on a nice sunny day. That and text book old school RWD dynamics.
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Which forces me to reach no other conclusion than you are bludgeoning people over the head with your opinion and deriding them for having their own opinion which is a piss poor way of trying to convince others to see it your way. Also found here in a response to shado:
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I agree 100%. However, bludgeoning people over the head with your opinion and deriding them for having their own opinion (especially when both sides are on equal footing - i.e. never driven said car) is a piss poor way of trying to convince others to see it your way.
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So as you can see, my hope:
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Originally Posted by Spikuh
This is the exact thing I am hoping vo reads and figures out. Hasn't happened yet...  |
Has indeed not happened yet. The fact that you chose to respond to this particular quote gives me a chuckle.
[EDIT]Also, I am washing my hands of this conversation. If you cannot figure it out now, I can at least stop wasting my time.