these 2 guys are the exact reason why dealers price vehicles over M.S.R.P, they are 2 extremes of car buying, but in order to offset the profit and pay a sales person that is highly trained they have to do so... have a inflated sticker to make a high profit to make up for those who buy the cars for nothing. If you paid too much for a car blame yourself, there is a lot of websites and info available to the public to protect you from having overpaying... Darwin was and is right... Only the strongest and fittest will survive.. if you think by walking into a dealership and asking for invoice and requesting them to sell to you for that is going to get you a deal.. maybe you should consider your manners because they do not walk into you house and put their feet on your sofa and tell you to go get them a beer.... thats pretty much what it sounds like to a salesperson
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