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Originally Posted by Shamu
Mazda seemed to do fine convincing people that you don't need power to have fun? I have owned Mazda MX5 and found that car more fun to drive than heavier more powerfully Porsche boxsters I owned. Toyota and subi built something very close to 2.5 liter Porsche Boxster. Great car but boring as heck to drive on street
My 450 HP sub 3000 lb Z is a true hoot to drive compared to well buttoned down boxsters.
I also owned 3 porsche 914s and 914/6. Way less power than anything above including BRZ but fun to drive.
I don't think BRZ developers got the fun to drive piece completely. I'm waiting for next generation. They will still send a ton based on hype but serious sports car drivers are likely be on the fence.
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What are you basing "boring as heck on the street" on in regards to the BRZ / FR-S? I've yet to read one review (other than EVO for some odd reason/ they could only muster a 7.6 0-60 so who knows) that says the BRZ somehow needs more power to be fun on the street.
Serious sports car driver's will be on the fence? No, people who understand cars know that cars don't need all kinds of horse power to be a great driver's car.
The MX-5 consistently rates far above EVERY sports car in its segment (exception being EVO X in which case it's close) when it comes to handling and being a superior driver's car.
So seeing as the BRZ / FR-S are no slower than the MX-5 there's no reason to believe "serious sports car driver's" will or should be on the fence. More power, wider stickier tires would help it produce a quicker lab time but that's about it.
As is at its current power to ratio it should strike just about the right balance to be the most fun on the street. More power could be added and you could enjoy the sudden rush of acceleration for short 3-4 second burst at a time before losing your license and so on.
I've found that cars you can push closer to 99% more of the time is a lot more fun / rewarding vs. driving a car which is much faster for short burst. I prefer the actual experience over the bragging rights / #'s.
As far as Mazda convincing people well that use to be the case. Sell of the MX-5 Miata are way down from where they use to be because ppl have been brainwashed into "more in better".
It's the same reason for why Honda stopped production of the Honda S2000 and the same reason Subaru / Toyota unfortunately won't be making too many more cars like the BRZ / FR-S unless people are educated.
They'll just go back to producing high horse power cars vastly inferior to drive than cars like the Mazda MX-5 / Honda S2000, etc because folks keep crying for more horse power. So people who understand cars have to suffer from mass ignorance.
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