Originally Posted by BGTV8

Troll indeed - LMFAO

I am a sports car lap record holder at Philip Island GP circuit, Winton Raceway and Calder Park, state champion in open sports cars in VSCRC, and touring car driver at Bathurst in the '70's and involved in Australian motorsports since 1968 in off-road and circuit events - and I have sprinted my Z34 many, many times - you won;t recognise these places becuase they are 12000 klics away.

I have enough "mechanical sympathy" to estabish when I have placed an excessive demand on the braking system and need to back off.

My point is that it (fade or boiled fluid) is not an equipment failure, it is the fact that the driver has placed a demand on the system that exceeds the systems abilities .... and this is not a failure of the manufacturer - it is a set of events that is completely driver-induced.

To me, brake failure is a mechanical loss of the braking system .... systermic hydraulic system failure, failed caliper or master cyclider seal etc ..... in my context, boiled fluid is not brake failure - it is extreme brake fade and a failure to properly engineer the heat management solution for the braking system in the vehicle ... maybe this is a bit too subtle, but in my experiecne, talking to race engineer about "brake failure" is a discussion of a different kind and thats the race engineering context that I come from.

Your post talks about whether you are going to buy a (road) car based on the propensity for "brake failure" and canvasses feedback based on track use which I provided.

If you want a RACE CAR, then engineer the car accordingly and don't purchase an OEM road car expecting it to tolerate RACE CAR demands (unless maybe you go buy a 9xx GT3).

That was the point I was trying to make and I stand by the comments - if that's being a troll, well so be it, but my comments are still completely valid, even if you do not (or cannot) recognise the.

My last post on this subject to avoid clogging the interweb ...

Robin Bailey