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Originally Posted by babbagandu
the S has 315hp and 266tq. That is for a 60k car. No thanks, do not want. Don't care how well it handles or how balanced it is or etc. A 60k sports car should have more than 315hp. That is all.
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So a 60k mid engined sports car which is highly considered one of the best driver's cars in the World is somehow a rip off because it has just 315hp? Lol...
Not that it matters but despite the Porsche Boxster S having just 315HP (up from 310hp) (curb weight ~ 2950) it runs ~ 4.4 0-60 and 12.7@110+ in the 1/4 mile so it's not even slow by the standard you put on it.
The Porsche Cayman S gets a slight power pump to 325HP (up from 320) not down to 315 not that it needed a power increase.
The Porsche Boxster and Cayman are phenomenal sports cars. Considering how much more one has to pay for a 911 they are a steal.
I suppose you think the BMW M3 is a rip off / not worth 60K either seeing as it's only about equal to the Porsche Boxster / Cayman S? Oh and to top it all off a ~ 30K Mustang GT is almost as fast for 1/2 the price!
Like I stated before.. I blame it the marketing. It's not that people are dumb it's just that they've been brainwashed by this false idea that "more" is always better.
They need to do a better job at educating the market on what makes a sports car a good sports car. For starters, it goes FAR FAR FAR beyond a cars HP/ test track numbers to price ratio.
The thing is its much harder to explain and thus market the subjective aspects that really matter. On the other hand it's very easy to market #'s and it works because people can comprehend #'s.
It's harder to put into context the much more important / valid "subjective" aspects such as: Chassis balance, rigidity,control; Steering response, feedback & feel; Brake feel, feedback & response; Ergonomics; confidence factor; turn in response / precision; directional stability; ride quality; cornering stability; pitch / roll control; agility and on and on.... All the things that come together and ultimately determine how great a car really is.
Horse power #'s / 0-60 times, etc don't even begin to scratch the surface in evaluating how much a particular car should be worth. There are in fact very good reasons for why people are willing to pay 2X $$$ on an M3 vs. a Mustang even though the "#'s" are fairly close for example.
This is also why the people who are saying the BRZ is somehow "over priced" because it has just 200hp present a weak argument. So it requires around 6.5 seconds for the BRZ to hit 60mph...And? What about the stuff that actually matters?
The stuff which can only be measured in by actually driving the car? So the car can turn out being one of the very best drivers cars on the planet for just 26-28K yet it's somehow not worth it because it takes a whopping 6.5 seconds to hit 60mph??
Bottom line: People should spend more time reading the actual "review" instead of skipping straight to the spec sheet. I have to admit, I was once a "numbers whore" as well once upon a time some 10 years ago until I drove cars like the S2K, RX-8, MX-5, Boxster...
The more educated the general public is the better the cars the manufactures will build. Currently and unfortunately the general public is seemly obsessed with "power" above all else. So many cars today have all this power but the people driving them rarely ever get an opportunity to exploit them to even 1/2 their potential except for very short burst at a time.
I'm not trying to sound like a smart *** or anything just suggesting folks not be so quick to dismiss a car based solely on #'s which have little to no baring on how great to drive the car may be. You can easily end up making a very costly / regrettable mistake.