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Originally Posted by Raw_Shark
Wow, you must be fun at parties. I was just trying to help people out guy, no need to get your pretty little pink panties in a wad.
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No panties in a wad here. Sorry you can't handle hearing the truth. You are "one of those" I guess. I'd say you are the one getting your panties in a bunch.
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If you actually read my post, you'd see that my install was uber simple and I did the bare minimum. My car didn't have spare tire, foam, tools, etc to deal with. I already took that crap out a long time ago. So for me, it was just a matter of removing the trunk panels and slapping the 12 sq ft of B-quiet down and then laying corrugated foam on top of that.
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Well for you, doing the bare minimum might have been good enough, and that's great for you. Seriously, I wish that were the case for everyone. Others here felt dynamatting the entire back did nothing at all, and it was only after doing the doors that it made a difference. So one thing this thread has proven is that people have different tolerances for different things when it come to this noise issue. If YOU had read all my posts here, you would know that my ONLY noise issue is the pebbles tinking the inside of the fender wells. Your minimalistic approach would have done about 1% to fix my issue, which basically means it would have done totally nothing; a total waste of time.
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So YES, it took me roughly an hour. Maybe it was an hour and 21.50894 minutes? A couple hours? No idea. Next time I'll keep track down to the millisecond.
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And just who do you think is being the total jack arse here???
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The point I was making is that you don't have to go all out and dynamat the whole car to get good results. It can be done on the cheap, and quickly.
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I think a lot of people here aren't normally all that adventurous in regards to removing panels etc. I know every single one of my friends that saw my car were like, are you crazy? You are an exception. Most people have not torn out all the foam and tire for other reasons etc like you. Most people aren't going to rip all that stuff out only to do a quick fix. Most people, after going through the nervousness of all the panel removal, are going to take the time to do the full blown fix, to get all the improvements they can. I'm glad you are happy with your results, and that's awesome. Again, I think you are an exception, not the norm. I for one did the entire trunk and I'm still not sure about it. If a month from now I don't notice the pebbles I'll be good.
Your 1 hour is not the norm, it's the exception. 4 - 8 hours is the norm.
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I apologize again for making you PMS so hard.
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Me thinks it's you who is a bit over sensitive. Take a chill pill man.
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Switch to decaf, my friend.
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Don't drink coffee, only beer.
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I'm not misleading anybody. If you only do a small (12 sq. ft) portion of the trunk, it IS a wham bam thank you ma'am job.
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Your post I was quoting was misleading. It only mentions that the job takes 1 hour, and without referencing again that you only did a very small portion, becomes misleading. 4-8 hours is the norm, and that's what the ordinary Joe people should know.
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Even a very small amount of dynamat/bquiet/etc makes a pretty big difference in these cars.
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Again, and I mean this sincerely, I'm glad the amount you did made all the difference for you. I'm sure there are others that will agree. But from what I've read here, there are many that will not.
For all,
what I found doing this is that you HAD to cover everything. Using your fingers and knuckles, you can rap on the metal to see where it sound's plinky. Before you start, almost everywhere sounds this way. But even after I covered the entire left half of the flat bottom area, the right was totally plinky sounding, like I had done nothing. Just putting down 1 piece in the middle of an area did not fix the problem either. I had to do everything to eliminate the plink. I do not agree with Raw_Shark.
So to what level you choose to do this is up to you. After doing this myself, I'd say going through all the trouble to yank everything out, if someone isn't willing to spend a measly $100-$200 to do it right, they are just being cheap. They aren't poor because they have this $30,000+ impractical car.
I myself was being cheap, because I didn't want to spend $200 to do it. But now after I spent 8-9 back breaking hours doing it, the money seems irrelevant. My advice is not to skimp with stuff from Lowes (and rumors of the potential smell issue don't make me thrilled either), but to buy the best automotive industry made stuff you can find. That doesn't mean more expensive is always better, so I'd search around for a brand you find comfortable with, then buy their highest dampening stuff they have. If you want to do the entire trunk area including the fenders and back wall, it's going to take 9-10 sheets @ 18" x 36". Do less if you want, that's up to you.
Cheers --- Bonzo