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Old 02-15-2012, 01:44 AM   #32 (permalink)
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The B-pillar's aren't perfect.
We aren't talking perfect. we are talking compromise.

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re: the windshield frame:

Your pic about this doesn't show a head anywhere near the frame of the windshield. The head has arced down to where the steering wheel / dashboard is. I think hitting your head on the windshield frame itself would suck, but again I still have airbags, and I don't think the arc of my body straining against any belt system will let me head go simultaneously that far high and forward.
you do realize that is more of a sedan.. i can almost press my forehead on my Z windshield frame even while 50 Gs aren't pulling my head forward.



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Man, this forum sucks at lengthy nested quoting I guess. The point of wanting harnesses at this stage was yes, to plant me in the seat better so my chest isn't moving forward so much on braking, or sliding around on corners. My *** is planted reasonably-well by the aftermarket seat bolsters, but that doesn't do much up top. It's just a night and day difference how connected I feel in the passenger seat of a harnessed car versus the driver's seat of mine.
this is where people get in to trouble putting speed before safety... yeah it sucks to slide around in the seat... i have put many a pressure dent in speaker grills from my knees crushing them to brace myself.. but i figure that maybe its the car gods way of telling us thats about as fast as you should go with out a cage.



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I agree that in a non-rollover track accident, I'd be better off with a harness bar, harness, helmet, and HANS than I would be with stock belts and just a helmet. And if I avoid the harnesses on the street (which I would), there'd be no compromise there as well.

So what you are saying is that in the case of (probably) 99% of all track incidents, you would be better off with a harness and HANS than you would be with stock belts... but in order to prepare for the 1% (and even smaller fraction of that where severe neck injury occurs) you would rather use a seat belt solution that allows your body to flop around in the car bouncing off anything hard, so that your head is free to not be crushed by the roof in case (again an even smaller fraction) it completely pancakes.

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