Originally Posted by Shamu

Give Sporty Spice Aluminum multilink strut suspension, AWD, and 400 hp and it might be in the ball game. Lol! Haven't had a Subaru even in ball park against the Z. Beat a 2500 lb 400 hp XP STi on regular basis. And he has done tons of suspension work. He should have my poorly prepared SP car no problem. Haven't had a stock Evo event come close to beating my Z this past season. It's the SP EVOs that have huge HP advantage that beat my car currently. My Z is still making close to stock HP. And national level EVO out on big track is equalized with my car due to poor high speed dynamics brought on by limited strut suspension.

People are fooling themselves if they think this car is anything special. It all spice and where's the beef? Sure with $20k in suspension work you might have something that holds tires where they need to be, can't wait to see all ridiculous TRD suspension braces for the Toyota. The car is a loser. It's too bad as I had higher hopes.

But I would expect a Mustang guy to think any independent suspension is earth shattering.

Lol!

Being one of first guys to develop Totyota Echo in the US I have plenty of experience running light cars with crappy suspensions. They are tons of fun just like this 150 HP 1800 lb Echo race car. 150+ HP TOYOTA ECHO - Car Videos on StreetFire. But still BRZ isn't a serious sports car. It's going to be a short term hit for all toyota and Subaru people who haven't driven a nicely balanced rear wheel car.

But sorry the BRZ/ft86 in current state are losers as enthusiast Sports cars. just watch it at SCCA Solo competition, it won't come close to class leading Miatas. they will likely need to drop it to less competive lclass with Scion TC and other sissy low powered FWD cars. It will do well there.