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Old 10-12-2011, 09:59 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Pharmacist View Post
I'm pretty sure they do have oil cooling issues. Just because many sports cars do not reach limp mode doesn't mean their oil does not reach critically hot temperatures and damage the engine, unless of course they come with oil coolers, which I believe none of the above cars do.

As for limp mode, apparently nissan finally addressed this issue by offering oem oil coolers on new Z models

And the Z doesn't have a "braking issue". It just has brakes that are not ideal for heavy duty track use, just like 99.99% of cars out there including many sports cars, even including more prestigious brands such as Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, BMW, etc. Almost any car out there, even sports cars, would need at least heavy duty pads and fluids before you even think of tracking them. Yes that includes mustangs and evos too. The whole "braking issue" thing has been blown way out of proportion ever since the apes on car and driver crashed their nismo. It's kinda like the oil temp issue which is also being blown out of proportion by owners who never track their car nor do they ever hit limp mode.

As far as performance of Evo vs Z, 0-60 and 1/4 mile are of course better with the evo due to the AWD traction vs RWD wheelspin of the Z. The turbocharged 4 banger however runs out of steam at high rpm and the Z is faster at higher speeds. As far as handling on a road course, laptimes of the Evo in different tracks around the world are about the same as or slightly slower than the Z. So handling is actually about the same, with a slight advantage to the Z. Actually the Z chassis is better balanced. The Evo is a bit heavier and nose heavy, like a FWD car. It's just that the AWD and fancy electronics compensate for that.
Here's my sources for what I stated, Road and Track and Car and Driver:

Sports Car Comparison - 2011 Nissan 370Z vs. 2011 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo GSR - RoadandTrack.com

Best-Handling Car For Less Than $40,000: 370Z vs. Evo, Mustang GT, GTI, Miata, Mini JCW - Feature - Car and Driver

According to Car and Driver the 370z did have braking issues, read the article...it does not have Brembo brakes and No Oil cooler...hard to fathom and this will be corrected in future models.
I own the EVO GSR 5 speed manual...the EVO MR they tested is the automated manual. The GSR is quicker 1/4 mile 13 flat and 0-60 4.3 according to R&T stats listed above. The Z had a slightly quicker lap time in the C&D review but brakes had "the worst brake fade in our standard 5 stop 70-0 mph braking test" distances varied as much as 29 feet even with the Nismo pads...

I wouldnt trade the AWD, Ive owned many rwd sports cars. I want 100% usability in any season as Im a traveling nurse and cant afford not to show up.
Im not saying the Z isnt a great car, it is, but Nissan really dropped the ball for 2009-2011's with the omission of oil cooler and cheaper/inferior brakes.
Most of us dont track our cars and so not really a big issue but in hotter climates such as Texas the limp mode/lack of oil cooler becomes an issue with spirited driving as some posters on this site have said.

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