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Originally Posted by Mike@GTM
In regards to the Vortech supercharger's flow capabilities vs. the Rotrex, there was a discussion in this thread: GTM STG 2 SC, when will it be available? regarding that.
The result of that discussion was that while the compressor that the Vortech uses may in fact flow about 2% more air than the Rotrex, the rotating assembly of the Vortech cannot spin fast enough to actually achieve what the compressor is rated at.
About 5 years ago, before we started even developing a supercharger kit, we had a customer with a G35 and a Vortech supercharger kit. As far as I know, we are the only company to achieve over 500whp with the Vortech, and that was using their biggest supercharger (T-Trim). When I say that the rotating assembly just can't handle spinning high rpm, that comes from experience...that supercharger failed 3x trying to push 500whp. When we tried to get the unit warrantied, Vortech came back and said that we were over-spinning the blower...keep in mind that this was on a DE car with a 6500prm redline. The customer finally gave up on the Vortech and went Twin Turbo instead.
The thing about the way the Vortech is rated that people are forgetting is that those blowers were designed specifically for V8 engines with low volumetric efficiency. What this means is that they produce more boost at lower rpm on an inefficient motor. Remember that boost is nothing more than a measurement of restriction. On the VQ motor, the Vortech has to spin higher than it is capable of spinning in order to produce enough boost to make it's rated power.
The Rotrex blower on the other hand was designed specifically for high efficiency engines and is capable of spinning to high rpms with very little parasitic losses. So in essence, you'll never see that extra 2% flow the Vortech is rated at.
I also want to point out that our stage 2 supercharger kit is using a fairly large pulley and isn't even maxed out yet. There was a member who pretty much did every modification under the sun you could possibly do to a Vortech and still doesn't quite make what our Stage 2 kit does out of the box. |
There are a few people that have gotten more than 500whp on VQ35DE.Here is one guy with a SC Trim with a 928 impeller built motor.
Vortech tuned with Motordyne XYZ pipe and ART Pipes...interesting results - MY350Z.COM Forums
Here is another build done on a dyno dynamics with a T Trim.This car made a max of 530WHP.
http://http://my350z.com/forum/force...ake-power.html
Now I get where you are going when you say Vortech's are designed specifically for V8 engines with low VE.However there are plenty of E90/E92 M3 with kits from ESS and Gintani making well over 500whp.Those motor's are not inefficient low rpm motors,they rev all the way to 8500 Rpm's with Vortech Blowers.
Now as far as the way the GTM kit is designed compared to Stillen's kit
to you guys at GTM.You guys Stage 2 looks promising.