Originally Posted by ImportConvert
Are you referring to your post on previous pages?
I never said I gained 25# of MUSCLE. I probably gained maybe 5# of dry muscle. The rest is fat and water I am betting, judging on my measurements. However, I took before/after pix and am very happy with the results. I started at 173# and a measured (hydrostatic) 10% body-fat. I am hoping to end up at around 180-185# and 9-11% body-fat after my cut.
My point was I didn't use any "designer" anything. I rarely even took anything except the random protein-shake after a work-out maybe 1/10th of the time. Quality food (for the most part, lol) is where it's at. You can get all you need for a good bulk off a good diet and a post-work-out shake now and again. Doesn't even have to be elitist designer crap, either.
I had a roommate who has done multiple cycles of Deca, Test, D-Bol, Winstrol, and other ****. I'm bigger, stronger, and faster than him. He didn't eat right, didn't train right, and even at the peak of a Test/DBol cycle, he was still lifting less than I was. He was also 5'7 and I am 5'10, so he has mad mechanical advantage on things like the bench and squat. He never hit my numbers--and my lifts are NOT something I brag about. They aren't worth bragging about, is what I mean.
It's training, discipline, and diet. NO supplement out there is going to do more for you than steroid/test usage. He still never touched my numbers. Why? He wasn't training or eating right (had he been, he would have made me look like a total weenie). Train right. Eat right. Stop using chemical **** as a crutch thinking it will somehow remove the necessity for correct diet/exercise routines.
My programs aren't the "best" and I don't eat or train as well as I should, but his failure to progress really opened my eyes to what a crappy diet/program could do to the best made plans. All the chemicals in the world won't make it work.
So why not use the chemicals AND the good plan/diet?
Well, you can, and you will see a bit of gain, but for me, the journey is the destination and like I said, I gained 25# in half a year, the before/after pix and my lifts show it wasn't a dirty gain, and I didn't need to spend money on any shakes other than when I felt like it.
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