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Originally Posted by daisuke149
i understand what your saying. but what im asking is which exhausts have broken other than the gemini?
People are making it sound like any exhaust with flex pipes will break because of this. What im saying is that so far it sounds like onmy Gemini's have had issues. And someone also had an issue even without TP's. So im thinking the issue lies with the Invidia's, not anything else.
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Considering the relatively rare availability of the VHR ART Pipes, it's hard to tell. Most test pipes and HFCs have a mount tab for the brace, and most shops do reinstall it. I believe overtime you can break a flange without the brace if you don't have an exhaust with a flex section - it is there for a reason beyond just supporting OEM components. It's to lessen flex and tilt and the wear it causes in general. Invidias are having issues more rapidly due to their design (again: flex sections), but I wouldn't rule out other exhausts eventually developing issues as a result of this either, even though it will take some miles, which will also vary on driving style.
When I unmodded my 350Z, my shop forgot to install the brace back on. They simply told me to take it easy and avoid frequent burst of throttle, otherwise I stood a chance at hurting the cats or y-pipe without the brace.